Part of the reason why we thought the second season was lolariously bad was because stuff like Sebastian making a deal with Claude happened, I think! Because it is OOC. Though I can totally see manga!Ciel shooting someone, honestly.
We disagree vehemently on the undercurrent of wrongness not being there in the manga, then! I mean, vehemently. Part of the reason I play Sebastian the way I do is because I see him as an entirely terrible creature with no regrets. I think Sebastian loves Ciel in his way, but I've also told people "all of Sebastian's genuine emotions increase the mean amount of evil in the universe by a measurable amount," and I think I'm thoroughly backed up by the text there. I do like Alois's storyline too, though!
I really wish the Trancy household could've been at center stage, yeah. I think Ciel and Sebastian are both capable of total ruthlessness, but that's not what I saw in their anime storyline. I saw a lot of stupidity, inconsistency, and badly-covered plot contrivance.
I... wasn't watching the show as an extension of the manga, but the characters that they turned Ciel and Sebastian into were not characters I enjoyed, and the whole thing as a package ended up being bad storytelling centered around people I didn't like very much who we were repeatedly told were the characters I so enjoyed. I was in that chatlog, and I feel totally justified in feeling the way I do about it. Not to say that anyone shouldn't enjoy the anime or the anime only characters - because I certainly enjoyed the anime only characters! I'll love playing with them if the rest app into camp! But it wasn't Black Butler for me.
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We disagree vehemently on the undercurrent of wrongness not being there in the manga, then! I mean, vehemently. Part of the reason I play Sebastian the way I do is because I see him as an entirely terrible creature with no regrets. I think Sebastian loves Ciel in his way, but I've also told people "all of Sebastian's genuine emotions increase the mean amount of evil in the universe by a measurable amount," and I think I'm thoroughly backed up by the text there. I do like Alois's storyline too, though!
I really wish the Trancy household could've been at center stage, yeah. I think Ciel and Sebastian are both capable of total ruthlessness, but that's not what I saw in their anime storyline. I saw a lot of stupidity, inconsistency, and badly-covered plot contrivance.
I... wasn't watching the show as an extension of the manga, but the characters that they turned Ciel and Sebastian into were not characters I enjoyed, and the whole thing as a package ended up being bad storytelling centered around people I didn't like very much who we were repeatedly told were the characters I so enjoyed. I was in that chatlog, and I feel totally justified in feeling the way I do about it. Not to say that anyone shouldn't enjoy the anime or the anime only characters - because I certainly enjoyed the anime only characters! I'll love playing with them if the rest app into camp! But it wasn't Black Butler for me.